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Well, despite the protestations of citizen_cam, who is not a Protestant (not in the religious sense, more in the sense of protesting), but in fact, the Fraternal Unit, we had another LorF Summit last night. For five hours, evidently, all up. Not a single one of them was coffee-fueled (at least, not for me anyway. I know bathmat was Pie-fuelled at one point. Mmm... pie) However, I dispute that it was 5 hours. It was more like 3, on account of we met at six, but flippyfrog wasn't there, and Bunne and I both went away for dinner. So we technically started at 8:00. Which means there was 3 hours of LorF talk, which while slightly sad, is not as sad as a full five.

All: Who cares? Just tell us what happened!

Well, as I was saying, while using both shorthand and written numbers in a manner that would make my High School English teacher break down and cry, we had a long LorF summit. And what happened was... well... to be honest we played Truth or Dare. In character. My conclusions about that are as follows:

1. If only we could all be as decent and nice as Emma.
2. Chantal is way irritating and Kate doesn't like her one bit (although they do agree on the general incompetence of Yanna)
3. Kate rather needs to explain her wartime philosophy better (more detail on this later).
4. Clare really is in for a shock when she discovers the truth about that nice Ymene fellow she works for (Torture? Nah! Ymene wouldn't do that!)
5. Kate and Yanna really can't coexist. Just can't. It's bitch bitch bitch all the time. Very sad.
6. Ryn's biographical work should be very interesting, when katiefoolery starts work on them. I await her interview with Andy. I do hope she asks him about Kate and the apparent relationship that doesn't exist, no honestly, it REALLY doesn't, they swear, because he's likely to get shirty!

I have other conclusions and thoughts too, but those are the major ones that sprang to mind.

Now: As all things Kate are my responsibility, I shall explain why I think I need to make her philosophy a bit clearer. Tbe problem is, Kate comes across as self-obsessed, egotistical and psychotic, when in actuality, she is merely self-preserving, egotistical and paranoid-delusional. I don't deny she's a raving egomaniac. There is an element of the "Me Me Me" about her.

Yanna: That's what I keep saying...
Kate: You wanna piece of me?
Yanna: Put down that machinegun and say that
Kate: No. What d'you think I'm stupid?
Yanna: Hmmph. Fascist.
Kate: Freeloader!

Ahemhem... I apologise for that unauthorised interruption. As I was saying, Kate's ego does cover several timezones, I admit. She is constantly tooting her own horn: "Where were you when I was risking my life by singlehandedly destroying 1800 tanks with only a rusty nail and a piece of cellophane?" and so forth. But when you look at it another way, Kate has very very low self-esteem. She's been locked up away from the country she fought to protect, and not even alone but with 27 people she spent the entire war playing "kill or be brutally tortured" with. And now I think about it more closely, the media are anti-Kate, so in prison all she really sees is the negative opinion of her. That's gotta be bad for someone's self-esteem. She thinks Australians have abandoned her and that they hate her, and that's probably really unpleasant.

Sorry. I'm just musing to myself here really.

I guess Kate's pretty egotistical during the war too. But then again, perhaps she has to be. It's no good being the supreme commander of a large army and thinking "Crap... I'm so bad at this". Maybe she needed to act self-assured and confident and it just turned into an obsession with her own achievments. And the toadying lackeys probably helped shore up that ego a bit!

But I DON'T think Kate is self-obsessed.

Yanna: Yes she is!
Kate: Don't start with me!
Yanna: Oh Bite Me!
*scuffling sounds*

I guess I just need to write something where Kate explains her philosophy (or where Andy explains it for her. He speaks Katese). What Yanna said about her friendship with Kate is interesting: that she was trying to retain that friendship and deal with the fact that the best friend she hasn't seen in years is a terrorist, but Kate was all just "Me me me now. Too busy." Well... that was the jist.
And the reason for that, of course, is that Kate IS too busy. Obviously that's not Yanna's point of view, but I think Kate feels the loss of Yanna's friendship but sees that as a selfish thing. Let me explain that better (just in case anyone is still reading this rant).

Yanna believes Kate is selfish because she wasn't interested in maintaining her friendship with Yanna, or giving Yanna time to adjust.

Kate feels that maintaining her friendship with Yanna would have been a selfish thing to do. If Kate retains Yanna's friendship, that benefits Yanna and Kate. But Kate is super busy, and she simply doesn't have time to focus on Kate. She only has time for the war.

Yes! That's the philosophy of Kate. NOTHING is more important than the war. NOTHING.
That's why, when Kate was asked at the LorF summit what she would change about the war, she said nothing. Because she didn't want to risk changing something that would cause the war to go on even five minutes longer. Ending the war and ending it on her comparatively moral terms is everything to Kate, and nothing, not Yanna's friendship, Karen's life, her own right eye, is so important to her that she'd risk a longer war.

I'm glad I figured that out. I can see now why she comes across as the mega-bitch from hell! It's kinda hard to explain to someone that they're not important.

Must write this down coherently somehow. But first, class.
If you read this far, congratulations. Have a cookie.

*hands out cookies*

Oh, and may I just express my love for my new icon. Mrs Ymene/Water is the ONLY LorF ship that we can call Canon!



( 14 comments! — Make Remark! )
Jul. 26th, 2005 06:06 am (UTC)
I thought that truth or dare session was really quite interesting. It started off as a bit of fun, but it ended up revealing some fascinating insights into the various characters. I particularly enjoyed the Yanna/Kate exchange and the fact that Kate wouldn't change a thing she'd done. As you said above, any difference might change the outcome of the war, even if it was something as trivial as extending it for five minutes.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm making plans to read everyone's stories from the beginning again.

Glad you like the icon!
Jul. 26th, 2005 07:10 am (UTC)
Ohh, that might take you a while buneater, but it should be fun!

I enjoyed the truth or dare, even if i now have to write a certain bum pinching scene!

Thanks muchly for your comment on Emma :) i am very happy that she is 'decent and nice' and i'm determined to keep her that way though i doubt she'll survive the war completely unscathed......

Jul. 26th, 2005 07:16 am (UTC)
Face it, Emma's pretty much coping best. She's retained her kindness (Kate certainly hasn't) and her dignity (Yanna is everyone's plaything, poor girl), and her sense of reality (unlike Clare) and... I could go on, I really could.

Emma rocks! (and is currently halfway through a cameo I'd really like to finish, so I do wish the Paternal Unit would finish work and take us all home)
Jul. 26th, 2005 08:03 am (UTC)
*bugs the Paternal Unit*

We have to read this new piece with the Emerald Cameo! What would be more important?
Jul. 26th, 2005 09:44 am (UTC)
Ohh, i'm so excited!

A cameo!!! A cameo!!!!
Jul. 26th, 2005 07:20 am (UTC)
Don't worry too much about the early parts of Kate's story. Both Kate and Andy are different at the beginning, because I hadn't really got the feel of them yet. But everything after the episode where Kate loses her eye is probably helpful to you.

Loses her eye? She hardly LOST it... it was stolen!


It's no wonder Kate's completely mad, really. She's so focused on winning the war and doing What Is Right that she's lost some of her humanity. That's gotta suck...
Jul. 26th, 2005 08:06 am (UTC)
That's OK - I'm re-reading the stories because I want to. It's been ages since I read the first bits of Kate and Yanna's stories... and Clare's. It'd be good to have a bit of a refresher.
Jul. 26th, 2005 06:24 am (UTC)
*eats cookie* :-D
Jul. 26th, 2005 07:21 am (UTC)
Do enjoy your cookie, dear!

And you probably didn't have any idea what I was on about, did you? You just wanted the tasty cookie!
Jul. 26th, 2005 07:46 am (UTC)
I love this stuff :D

I don't want to go read any of the actual stories, because it's too much fun getting snippets of LorF from people's LJs and Writersmerge.
Jul. 26th, 2005 08:04 am (UTC)
Oh, you should read some of the actual stories! They're amazing - and so good for people's writing. You can see the writing improve as people become more confident or pick up more skills. It's all incredibly inspirational.
Jul. 26th, 2005 09:36 am (UTC)
Perhaps we should present some of "The Best of LorF" to show our fellow Obernetters?

After all, we LorFers mustn't forget our roots, and it might encourage others to join in the fun!
Jul. 26th, 2005 08:04 am (UTC)
comment number one:

She thinks Australians have abandoned her and that they hate her, and that's probably really unpleasant.

id just like to point out that we dont really see much of that...well, while kate's in prison she comes across to me as the i-dont-care-wat-nobody-thinks-of-me and it doesnt appear that she has a low self esteem at all (to me). so maybe if you want to highlight that a bit more in one of your excerpts...well, im just saying that you must have said it too subtly for me to pick up on, if you're saying that kayt's upset by the negativity of her situation. i mean, anyone would find it hard to see the brighter side of kayts situation, but maybe it's the light way you write that makes me feel like kate's not all...ok, now i cant understand a word im saying, so i hope what i typed then does.

must continue analyisis later. mum just came home.
Jul. 26th, 2005 09:30 am (UTC)
No. It made perfect sense.

Kate hates where she is and whinges about it constantly, but you're right, we never see much of the misery she feels at being abandoned. And I think the reason for that is that Kate doesn't express that. It's the same as how she doesn't often seem scared.

Kate's scared all the time, but she covers it with sarcasm. She covers her low self-esteem with sarcasm too, I think (that and ego-tripping)
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